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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 7, 2009 14:34:13 GMT -7
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Post by heavyg on Jul 8, 2009 6:03:20 GMT -7
I don't see a problem with that video except the fact that the godless left doesnt like anything GOD. I have seen this video before and there are claims that that is not even that mans voice. That it was dubed over. If you want to watch something that EVERYONE needs to watch check this video out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 8, 2009 11:27:38 GMT -7
uhm, i guess you failed to read the part about the witch doctor
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 8, 2009 11:34:29 GMT -7
BTW i agree with EVERY word of what that fella said!
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Post by heavyg on Jul 8, 2009 11:42:43 GMT -7
uhm, i guess you failed to read the part about the witch doctor No I read it. But I do not believe a witch doctor would pray using the name of Jesus. As I said there is talk that the voice in that video is not the man in the video.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 8, 2009 15:01:32 GMT -7
there is talk that you would defend her no matter what... ; )
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Post by heavyg on Jul 9, 2009 6:07:14 GMT -7
there is talk that you would defend her no matter what... ; ) Thats where you are wrong. I am not a big fan of Palin. But I do not believe her church is evil. And I do have a problem with the liberal God hating left bashing her because of her religious beliefs. The reason the left thinks her church is evil is because it actually teaches against sin instead of condoning it.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 9, 2009 6:43:28 GMT -7
i was seriously joking (notice the wink face?), but since you brought it up...
i really hate to sound unkind, but my biggest problem with you and many christians is that you/they believe anyone who does not believe like they do is WRONG and "god hating" or "evil". that is simply self righteous and egotistical!! you are putting the value of your opinion on a higher level than others, and as much as you might hate the idea that is the essence of ELITISM!! because i want church and state separated or because i believe other people should have the right to choose for themselves on abortions does not make me any of those things! technically to a catholic you are sinner if you ever used birth control, but i bet you disagree. the stuff i mention is no different than that! if you think you are better or more right than other people you need to reevaluate IMO!!!!!!!!!! different does not equal wrong! being a liberal does not mean you are a god hater! liberals are not down on religion because they hate people believing, they hate them believing they have the right (or obligation) to judge and impose values, as you and others are so comfortable doing!
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Post by heavyg on Jul 9, 2009 7:10:51 GMT -7
i was seriously joking (notice the wink face?), but since you brought it up... i really hate to sound unkind, but my biggest problem with you and many christians is that you/they believe anyone who does not believe like they do is WRONG and "god hating" or "evil". that is simply self righteous and egotistical!! you are putting the value of your opinion on a higher level than others, and as much as you might hate the idea that is the essence of ELITISM!! because i want church and state separated or because i believe other people should have the right to choose for themselves on abortions does not make me any of those things! technically to a catholic you are sinner if you ever used birth control, but i bet you disagree. the stuff i mention is no different than that! if you think you are better or more right than other people you need to reevaluate IMO!!!!!!!!!! different does not equal wrong! being a liberal does not mean you are a god hater! liberals are not down on religion because they hate people believing, they hate them believing they have the right (or obligation) to judge and impose values, as you and others are so comfortable doing! You are right liberal does not mean God hater. However, most who hate God are liberal. So I should have clarified some how. My point is they are attacking Palin soley on the Church she goes to. Now if there was a legitimate recording that came out of the Church showing the Pastor or Palin making an off the wall comment I would be the first to jump all over it. I have issue with so called "christians" saying or doing things that bring a bad light on the Christian faith. Groups like the one out of Kansas do NOT represent a true Christian.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 9, 2009 8:53:41 GMT -7
thank you for conceding the point, but still i must say (again with all due respect!!!) that i feel you are way too comfortable IMO with calling people god haters because they do not embrace particular christian values. hating the application of religion is not the same as hating the religion. i have to ask who is claiming to hate god? i do not hear it or see it. i see people who disagree with the tactics and values of some religious people (who in this country are often christians), but i see nothing of the sort you claim to be out there.
further, what you say above is like condemning a moderate muslim for condemning muslim extremist terrorist's! that may be an extreme metaphor but the point remains the same. if you believe that dinosaurs walked the earth 4,000 years ago because of faith despite scientific fact then you are exercising poor judgement even if it is religiously motivated. another christian pointing that out is not a lesser christian! if there was a unified christian belief system i might give your assertion more credit, but the variety of christian sects out there, each feeling superior to the other and each judging others to be wrong is a sure indicator that none of them are completely "right". IMO we are all better off if we concede that others are entitled to their belief system and their opinion should carry equal weight as other believers and non-believers!!!
and lastly, i know you and i are on the same page here, but i have to say that there are reasons beyond ANYTHING religious to have problems with Caribou Barbie! do you want her to have NUCLEAR CODES? anyone who says yes thinks that because she is on their "team", that makes her qualified! WRONG!! she has proven over and over to be comfortable with ignorance and that she has no desire to crack a book! simply put she is DUMB!! 'nuff said!!
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 9, 2009 8:56:59 GMT -7
and BTW, i would like to point out that those types of '(il)legitimate recordings' were enough for the entire right to condemn Obama because of his preacher. he was big enough to own it and address it, unlike Caribou Barbie
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Post by heavyg on Jul 9, 2009 9:03:33 GMT -7
and BTW, i would like to point out that those types of '(il)legitimate recordings' were enough for the entire right to condemn Obama because of his preacher. he was big enough to own it and address it, unlike Caribou Barbie Obama had no choice but to finally own up to it. There were to many of them and they were recordings from the church itself. There was no denying it was the Rev. Wright saying those words. On top of that Obama who claimed to be a member of the church said he NEVER heard him say those things. That alone makes me question how often this man went to Church. I am still not convinced he is not a Muslim. That in itself isn't a problem except for him seeing a need to lie about it
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jul 9, 2009 9:20:42 GMT -7
Obama finally had to own it? when did he deny it? i was down on that stuff too, but there is no disputing that he condemned the man for his words. if he had to own that association why is Caribou Barbie exempt from being attached to the words of a preacher she went to worship with? i am not saying it means a great deal to me, but double standards should not be ignored!! as to him being muslim, is it ever so slightly possible that he is not lying?
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Post by heavyg on Jul 9, 2009 9:27:48 GMT -7
Obama finally had to own it? when did he deny it? i was down on that stuff too, but there is no disputing that he condemned the man for his words. if he had to own that association why is Caribou Barbie exempt from being attached to the words of a preacher she went to worship with? i am not saying it means a great deal to me, but double standards should not be ignored!! as to him being muslim, is it ever so slightly possible that he is not lying? For one what has the pastor at Palins church said that is wrong? Or comparable to what Rev Wright said? There is one video with poor sound quality. Like I said there is some questions as to if that is really the voice of the person in the video. And I do not believe I heard anything in the video that was wrong.
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Post by heavyg on Jul 9, 2009 9:29:45 GMT -7
I just started re-watching the video to see if there is anything I missed. And right off the bat the first thing I notice is the voice does not even match the mans lips movements.....I will keep watching though to see if I missed anything
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