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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 12:26:54 GMT -7
This is what I truly want. I want anyone who would listen to know that Jesus Christ is Lord. He came and died for EVERYONE'S sins. I would that they accept Him as their Savior. Apart from that it is between them and God. The Bible says in Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
It is not my place to pass judgment on someone. A person is to work out their own salvation. The key thing is Salvation and that can only be obtained through Jesus. Everything else in between is personal conviction or morals. My convictions are going to be different from someone else's. I do not expect them to adhere to mine nor should I be expected to adhere to theirs.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jun 14, 2009 14:08:32 GMT -7
In his farewell address, Washington said, " You can't have National morality apart from religious principle."GW never met me or many other non-believers that live moral lives without practicing religion, or are you gonna tell me i am an immoral person because i do not share your beliefs? religion aside, i live a more "christian" life than many people you go to church with IMO
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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 14:13:48 GMT -7
In his farewell address, Washington said, " You can't have National morality apart from religious principle."GW never met me or many other non-believers that live moral lives without practicing religion, or are you gonna tell me i am an immoral person because i do not share your beliefs? religion aside, i live a more "christian" life than many people you go to church with IMO You know what I do not totally disagree with you. Alot of Churches today are so legalistic they have stopped teaching the bible and teaching man's law. Alot of stuff the Church is so judge mental on is not even in the bible. In recent years I have become more and more unhappy with organized Churches.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jun 14, 2009 14:19:23 GMT -7
And how is me wanting my kids to have the freedom to carry a Bible to school or be able to pray imposing anything on anyone? Right now if a child tried to have a Bible study during a break period they would be suspended. But that same child could hand out pro-choice pamplets and nothing would be said. i am going to call bullnuts on that, you can not have a bible study club but you can do whatever you want on your time, bible's themselves are not against the rules. further kids would not be allowed to pass out pamphlets of any kind outside the curriculum. your victim complex is staggering, in all honesty you might consider counseling!! if you feel persecuted living INSIDE THE BIBLE BELT (in fact you would be on the buckle of that belt!) then you should really consider an abby or a convent!!
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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 14:23:13 GMT -7
And how is me wanting my kids to have the freedom to carry a Bible to school or be able to pray imposing anything on anyone? Right now if a child tried to have a Bible study during a break period they would be suspended. But that same child could hand out pro-choice pamplets and nothing would be said. i am going to call bullnuts on that, you can not have a bible study club but you can do whatever you want on your time, bible's themselves are not against the rules. further kids would not be allowed to pass out pamphlets of any kind outside the curriculum. your victim complex is staggering, in all honesty you might consider counseling!! if you feel persecuted living INSIDE THE BIBLE BELT (in fact you would be on the buckle of that belt!) then you should really consider an abby or a convent!! Actually Kevin I have a very good friend whos sister was almost expelled from school for bringing her bible to school. She would read it at lunch time and not even talk to anyone about it. They told her should could not do that. She continued to to bring it and read on her own time and the suspended her. When she came back she brought it again and the sent her home saying they were going to expell her. Her parents got a lawyer and the school backed off with the compromise that she would not carry the bible in the open but in a book bag. So it has happend. Just recently a kid in an art class drew a picture of the cross and he recieved an F because of it. That was on national news. Here is the link: leaningstraightup.com/2008/04/01/school-hypocrisy-as-christian-art-fails-and-demonic-art-passes/
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jun 14, 2009 15:06:58 GMT -7
just because you can cite examples does not mean that they are right nor correct, especially since litigation ended up being the consequence in both cited instances, further it does not mean it is the norm! more people are persecuted for not being christian in america than the reverse. having lived periods of my life entrenched in each belief system i can speak to both sides of this and i know what i am talking about whether you wanna admit it or not
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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 15:14:15 GMT -7
just because you can cite examples does not mean that they are right nor correct, especially since litigation ended up being the consequence in both cited instances, further it does not mean it is the norm! more people are persecuted for not being christian in america than the reverse. having lived periods of my life entrenched in each belief system i can speak to both sides of this and i know what i am talking about whether you wanna admit it or not Brother I was NOT raised in a Christian home. Neither one of my parents were Christians. My dad died when I was 10 yrs old. My mom married a verbally abusive drunk. I became a Christian through friends talking to me about God. So I also know both sides. Persecution? Read the Bible. A time is coming real soon that Christians are going to be killed for their belief. And that time is nearing rapidly. Hopefully "Christians" wont be sitting around with their heads stuck in the sand. Unfortunately the bible says they will. I do not think you any less a person for not believing in Christ. But I do care that you don't because I care about your soul. YOU can believe that or not.
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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 15:18:59 GMT -7
Also Where are the non Christians being persecuted? Christians are getting crucified through the media. Just like when you called me an extreme fundamentalist. Dude there is nothing extreme about me. I do not approve of those idiots who blow up abortion clinics or beat up homosexuals. They ARE NOT true Christians. And if I ever get a chance to speak to one in person I will say so to their face. I may get a beat down myself because of it. Jesus taught to love your enemy not hate them.
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jun 14, 2009 15:28:42 GMT -7
you think you are persecuted? try being an atheist and admitting it to someone who already thinks they like you, if they are not also an unbeliever they will never look at you the same again! if they don't know you, they will never try to and you can throw the possibility of getting respect out the window! unless perhaps they feel compelled to "save your soul", which despite their good intentions is disrespectful of our non-belief since you might as well try to sell us fairy dust!! it is insulting! further, to my point about bias towards fellow non-believers, what would be the chances of ANY candidate who ran for public office openly atheist? i rest my case
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Post by heavyg on Jun 14, 2009 15:34:45 GMT -7
you think you are persecuted? try being an atheist and admitting it to someone who already thinks they like you, if they are not also an unbeliever they will never look at you the same again! if they don't know you, they will never try to and you can throw the possibility of getting respect out the window! unless perhaps they feel compelled to "save your soul", which despite their good intentions is disrespectful of our non-belief since you might as well try to sell us fairy dust!! it is insulting! further, to my point about bias to wards fellow non-believers, what would be the chances of ANY candidate who ran for public office openly atheist? i rest my case I have already said I do not think any less of you because of your belief system. You and I have had our talk about this. The only reason we are talking about it now is because you are responding to my post and I am responding to your responses....lol. I know where you stand. I have done what I am supposed to do by telling you about Jesus. It is now in your hands. I do not have a problem with you personally at all. Heck I consider you a very good friend and have much respect for you. If you have noticed I have even stopped sending emails to you with opposing political views. I know where you stand and I know I can not change that. I am just posting my stands in an open forum just like you do. So I honestly hope you do not take offense to any of the things I have posted. If you have I apologize because they were not directed at you personally. But on the same hand I will continue to post articles on subjects I agree and disagree with.
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Post by scorpion42 on Jun 16, 2009 16:44:36 GMT -7
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Post by ArkCowboy on Jun 16, 2009 18:41:29 GMT -7
thanks for the invitation but i am an unapologetic atheist scorp, i really have zero interest in anything religion oriented, pro or con. now do not misunderstand me, i am perfectly willing to indulge in an ACADEMIC examination of religion. i think about modern religion like most people think of greek mythology, except where it has a negative impact on my world, then i am proactive in correcting that particular situation.
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Post by scorpion42 on Jun 18, 2009 12:44:13 GMT -7
thanks for the invitation but i am an unapologetic atheist scorp, i really have zero interest in anything religion oriented, pro or con. now do not misunderstand me, i am perfectly willing to indulge in an ACADEMIC examination of religion. i think about modern religion like most people think of greek mythology, except where it has a negative impact on my world, then i am proactive in correcting that particular situation. The book & the DVD is more of a history lesson. To be honest, I never saw the DVD, or read the book. I just remember, Gingrich, attempting to sell his book on Hannity & Colmes a few years ago. If I ever decide to rent, or buy it? I'll let you know, if its good or not. Other than that, I really don't have much to add to this thread. search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ISBN=9781598591750&ourl=Rediscovering-God-in-America%2FNewt-GingrichSynopsis A simple walk through Washington, D.C. began a profound journey of personal discovery and renewal for Newt Gingrich, one of America's most influential politicians and commentators. At theNational Archives, the immortal words from the Declaration of Independence that we "are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights," jumped off the page and into his heart with the simple truth that from day one in our country's history, the Author of freedom was not the state nor even the Founding Fathers. Our basic human rights and freedoms were-and are-"Creator-endowed." Gingrich sounds a clarion call for us to recognize that the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness that we hold so dear are inseparable from a sincere and humble acknowledgement that these gifts are only the Creator's to give. As a bonus, the book includes a "walking tour" of Washington, D.C.
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Post by heavyg on Jun 18, 2009 12:47:05 GMT -7
Another good DVD I have heard about is called Ex-Pelled with Ben Stien. I have not seen it yet. I just ordered it on netflix
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